From mdmd at sasktel.net  Fri Feb  1 18:25:02 2008
From: mdmd at sasktel.net (Dale Dewar)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:25:02 -0600
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Any email
Message-ID: <0JVL003D3AVMYL60@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>

I have never received any email on this list.  What does it do?

 

Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP

Box 549 

Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0

 

Phone - office:  306 554 2424

Phone - home:    306 554 2985

Fax:      306 554 3524 

 

1.  Assume everyone is intelligent  

2.  Have a passion for what you do  

3.  Get over yourself.             Dr. Lisa Studnicki

 

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From melearley at gmail.com  Sat Feb  2 05:57:59 2008
From: melearley at gmail.com (Mel Earley)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:57:59 -0400
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Any email
In-Reply-To: <0JVL003D3AVMYL60@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>
References: <0JVL003D3AVMYL60@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>
Message-ID: <87e33a4f0802020557y490c89ealaf70d15d1749c249@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dale,
I have no idea , but obviously I'm on it too --  perhaps its a mystic medium
lying in wait like a seed in the earth  - just waiting for a wonderful
person like to to discover it and then connect with others.
Mel Earley


On 2/1/08, Dale Dewar <mdmd at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
>  I have never received any email on this list.  What does it do?
>
>
>
> Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP
>
> Box 549
>
> Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0
>
>
>
> Phone - office:  306 554 2424
>
> Phone - home:    306 554 2985
>
> Fax:      306 554 3524
>
>
>
> 1.  Assume everyone is intelligent
>
> 2.  Have a passion for what you do
>
> 3.  Get over yourself.             Dr. Lisa Studnicki
>
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From bdienes at capflex.com  Sat Feb  2 11:33:47 2008
From: bdienes at capflex.com (Bruce Dienes)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:33:47 -0400
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1201980830.7176.quaker-mm@quakerlists.org>

Hello Friends,

Welcome to Quaker-MM, a international list to discuss issues of interest to Monthly Meeting clerks as we continue to learn our role and learn more about Quaker process at the Monthly Meeting level.

Perhaps we could start by introducing ourselves?

Please post a note to the list letting us know what your interests are in this area, and some background on your experience with clerking.

In the Light,

Bruce
(Clerk, Annapolis Valley MM, Canadian YM)


--
Bruce P. A. Dienes
bdienes at capflex.com

"We should be taught not to wait for inspiration to start a thing. Action always generates inspiration. Inspiration seldom generates action."
  - Frank Tibolt 
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From benjones.mail at gmail.com  Sat Feb  2 09:50:32 2008
From: benjones.mail at gmail.com (Benjamin Jones)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:50:32 +0000
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Any email
In-Reply-To: <87e33a4f0802020557y490c89ealaf70d15d1749c249@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0JVL003D3AVMYL60@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>
	<87e33a4f0802020557y490c89ealaf70d15d1749c249@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f9a6ac8a0802020950j3fc7ee21n77d50cc9772e8f9e@mail.gmail.com>

My goodness so am I, Why, is because we're not sure if there's anybody out
there?

On 02/02/2008, Mel Earley <melearley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Dale,
> I have no idea , but obviously I'm on it too --  perhaps its a mystic
> medium lying in wait like a seed in the earth  - just waiting for a
> wonderful person like to to discover it and then connect with others.
> Mel Earley
>
>
> On 2/1/08, Dale Dewar <mdmd at sasktel.net> wrote:
> >
> >  I have never received any email on this list.  What does it do?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP
> >
> > Box 549
> >
> > Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0
> >
> >
> >
> > Phone - office:  306 554 2424
> >
> > Phone - home:    306 554 2985
> >
> > Fax:      306 554 3524
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.  Assume everyone is intelligent
> >
> > 2.  Have a passion for what you do
> >
> > 3.  Get over yourself.             Dr. Lisa Studnicki
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Quaker-MM mailing list
> Quaker-MM at quakerlists.org
> http://quakerlists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/quaker-mm
>
>


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From eboardman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb  2 13:38:43 2008
From: eboardman at sbcglobal.net (Elizabeth Boardman)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:38:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-mm
Message-ID: <45491.11812.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for asking, Friends.  Quaker -mm (for "monthly meeting" ) is reserved and ready for use when a book called Where Should I Stand? A Field Guide to Clerking a Monthly Meeting is released in a month or two. 
   
  After serving as clerk of San Francisco Friends Meeting for four years, I shared ideas with other Monthly Meeting clerks and then put together the book.  It will be published by Quaker Press.  
   
  The thing is, most likely, my colleagues and I will have put things into the book which other Friends will disagree with,  independent thinkers that we all are.  So the list serve (and perhaps a blog as well) will give people a chance to share  new ideas, best practices, interesting experiences. 
   
  Stand by for further idevelopments!
   
  Cheers..............Elizabeth


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From mdmd at sasktel.net  Mon Feb  4 07:51:07 2008
From: mdmd at sasktel.net (Dale Dewar)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:51:07 -0600
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-MM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1201982406.10230.quaker-mm@quakerlists.org>
Message-ID: <0JVQ00KCV1E58HB0@bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>

Greetings

Introducing myself......................Dale Dewar, Clerk of Canadian Yearly
Meeting and occasional clerk of Prairie Monthly Meeting.  In my other life,
a passionate rural family physician with a few fingers in international
projects.  Live 25 km from the closest town of 2300 people and 3 km from the
closest neighbour on a 480 acreage with two cats, one dog, one partner and
lots of plans.

Dale

 

S/he who laughs, lasts.

 

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   2. Re: Any email (Mel Earley)
   3. Welcome to Q-MM (Bruce Dienes)
   4. Re: Any email (Benjamin Jones)


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Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:25:02 -0600
From: Dale Dewar <mdmd at sasktel.net>
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Any email
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID: <0JVL003D3AVMYL60 at bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have never received any email on this list.  What does it do?

 

Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP

Box 549 

Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0

 

Phone - office:  306 554 2424

Phone - home:    306 554 2985

Fax:      306 554 3524 

 

1.  Assume everyone is intelligent  

2.  Have a passion for what you do  

3.  Get over yourself.             Dr. Lisa Studnicki

 

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From: "Mel Earley" <melearley at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Any email
To: "Dale Dewar" <mdmd at sasktel.net>
Cc: Bruce Dienes <webminder at quaker.ca>, quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
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Dear Dale,
I have no idea , but obviously I'm on it too --  perhaps its a mystic medium
lying in wait like a seed in the earth  - just waiting for a wonderful
person like to to discover it and then connect with others.
Mel Earley


On 2/1/08, Dale Dewar <mdmd at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
>  I have never received any email on this list.  What does it do?
>
>
>
> Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP
>
> Box 549
>
> Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0
>
>
>
> Phone - office:  306 554 2424
>
> Phone - home:    306 554 2985
>
> Fax:      306 554 3524
>
>
>
> 1.  Assume everyone is intelligent
>
> 2.  Have a passion for what you do
>
> 3.  Get over yourself.             Dr. Lisa Studnicki
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:33:47 -0400
From: Bruce Dienes <bdienes at capflex.com>
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1201982406.10230.quaker-mm at quakerlists.org>
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Hello Friends,

Welcome to Quaker-MM, a international list to discuss issues of interest to
Monthly Meeting clerks as we continue to learn our role and learn more about
Quaker process at the Monthly Meeting level.

Perhaps we could start by introducing ourselves?

Please post a note to the list letting us know what your interests are in
this area, and some background on your experience with clerking.

In the Light,

Bruce
(Clerk, Annapolis Valley MM, Canadian YM)


--
Bruce P. A. Dienes
bdienes at capflex.com

"We should be taught not to wait for inspiration to start a thing. Action
always generates inspiration. Inspiration seldom generates action."
  - Frank Tibolt 
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:50:32 +0000
From: "Benjamin Jones" <benjones.mail at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Any email
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID:
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My goodness so am I, Why, is because we're not sure if there's anybody out
there?

On 02/02/2008, Mel Earley <melearley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Dale,
> I have no idea , but obviously I'm on it too --  perhaps its a mystic
> medium lying in wait like a seed in the earth  - just waiting for a
> wonderful person like to to discover it and then connect with others.
> Mel Earley
>
>
> On 2/1/08, Dale Dewar <mdmd at sasktel.net> wrote:
> >
> >  I have never received any email on this list.  What does it do?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP
> >
> > Box 549
> >
> > Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0
> >
> >
> >
> > Phone - office:  306 554 2424
> >
> > Phone - home:    306 554 2985
> >
> > Fax:      306 554 3524
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.  Assume everyone is intelligent
> >
> > 2.  Have a passion for what you do
> >
> > 3.  Get over yourself.             Dr. Lisa Studnicki
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Quaker-MM mailing list
> Quaker-MM at quakerlists.org
> http://quakerlists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/quaker-mm
>
>


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From eboardman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  4 15:57:16 2008
From: eboardman at sbcglobal.net (Elizabeth Boardman)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:57:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-MM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1202155204.30696.quaker-mm@quakerlists.org>
Message-ID: <54778.67197.qm@web82809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Friend Dale and others, Just to whet your appetite for the book about clerking a monthly meeting (not yet released) here is part of the solicitation for feedback I sent out to California clerks in December 2006:. 
    
  
  .......Are you a past or present monthly meeting clerk?  Your ideas and experiences are needed for a book about the challenges and rewards of serving as clerk of a monthly meeting.  If you kept a journal while you were clerking, get it out now! 
   
  And if you are a person who has long observed monthly meeting clerks at work, your ideas are also needed.....
    
 
  Why were you chosen to be clerk?  Did you want to be clerk at that time? Who did you consult with, what did you read?  What did you wear?  Did you offer ministry more often than before?  Did you ?inherit? some Meeting issues from the previous clerk?
   
  What does the assistant clerk do for you?  How do you relate to the recording clerk?  To the clerk of Ministry and Oversight?  Are you supposed to keep the committees functioning well?  Do you have responsibility for the building and the Meeting?s money? Is it your fault if Meeting gets bogged down or out of whack?
   
  What is the role of the ?grapevine? in Meetings?  Are you supposed to be a peace maker, preventing rifts and promoting community?  Or is it good for the Meeting to get shaken up from time to time?  
   
  Are you seen as an authority figure, especially by newcomers and visitors?  Are you the Meeting?s host or hostess?  Are you the one who deals with disruptions during Meeting for Worship?  Are you the fall guy when things go wrong? 
   
  What principals and tricks of the trade do you use in running a Meeting for Business?  
  In preparing for it, and in following up?  How do you prevent excess speaking during MfB?  
   
  How have you dealt with marriages, memorials, travel minutes, and difficult membership issues?  What about sexual abuse or harassment? 
   
  How does clerking affect your personal life?  Your partner? Your children?  Do you have secrets you hope Meeting won?t find out about?
   
  Is being clerk hard for you?  Are there rewards which make it worth while?  Where did you get the most support?  What is it like when you get to the end of your term ? are you eager for a break, or do you feel left out of things?
   
  Do these sample questions trigger responses in you?  Do e-mail or call me.......   
   
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:51:07 -0600
From: Dale Dewar 
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-MM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID: <0JVQ00KCV1E58HB0 at bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>
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Greetings

Introducing myself......................Dale Dewar, Clerk of Canadian Yearly
Meeting and occasional clerk of Prairie Monthly Meeting. In my other life,
a passionate rural family physician with a few fingers in international
projects. Live 25 km from the closest town of 2300 people and 3 km from the
closest neighbour on a 480 acreage with two cats, one dog, one partner and
lots of plans.

Dale



S/he who laughs, lasts.



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4. Re: Any email (Benjamin Jones)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:25:02 -0600
From: Dale Dewar 
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Any email
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID: <0JVL003D3AVMYL60 at bgmpomr1.sasknet.sk.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have never received any email on this list. What does it do?



Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP

Box 549 

Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0



Phone - office: 306 554 2424

Phone - home: 306 554 2985

Fax: 306 554 3524 



1. Assume everyone is intelligent 

2. Have a passion for what you do 

3. Get over yourself. Dr. Lisa Studnicki



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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:57:59 -0400
From: "Mel Earley" 
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Any email
To: "Dale Dewar" 
Cc: Bruce Dienes , quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
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Dear Dale,
I have no idea , but obviously I'm on it too -- perhaps its a mystic medium
lying in wait like a seed in the earth - just waiting for a wonderful
person like to to discover it and then connect with others.
Mel Earley


On 2/1/08, Dale Dewar wrote:
>
> I have never received any email on this list. What does it do?
>
>
>
> Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP
>
> Box 549
>
> Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0
>
>
>
> Phone - office: 306 554 2424
>
> Phone - home: 306 554 2985
>
> Fax: 306 554 3524
>
>
>
> 1. Assume everyone is intelligent
>
> 2. Have a passion for what you do
>
> 3. Get over yourself. Dr. Lisa Studnicki
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:33:47 -0400
From: Bruce Dienes 
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello Friends,

Welcome to Quaker-MM, a international list to discuss issues of interest to
Monthly Meeting clerks as we continue to learn our role and learn more about
Quaker process at the Monthly Meeting level.

Perhaps we could start by introducing ourselves?

Please post a note to the list letting us know what your interests are in
this area, and some background on your experience with clerking.

In the Light,

Bruce
(Clerk, Annapolis Valley MM, Canadian YM)


--
Bruce P. A. Dienes
bdienes at capflex.com

"We should be taught not to wait for inspiration to start a thing. Action
always generates inspiration. Inspiration seldom generates action."
- Frank Tibolt 
P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:50:32 +0000
From: "Benjamin Jones" 
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Any email
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Message-ID:

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My goodness so am I, Why, is because we're not sure if there's anybody out
there?

On 02/02/2008, Mel Earley wrote:
>
> Dear Dale,
> I have no idea , but obviously I'm on it too -- perhaps its a mystic
> medium lying in wait like a seed in the earth - just waiting for a
> wonderful person like to to discover it and then connect with others.
> Mel Earley
>
>
> On 2/1/08, Dale Dewar wrote:
> >
> > I have never received any email on this list. What does it do?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Dewar, BSc, MD, CFPC, FCFP
> >
> > Box 549
> >
> > Wynyard, SK S0A 4T0
> >
> >
> >
> > Phone - office: 306 554 2424
> >
> > Phone - home: 306 554 2985
> >
> > Fax: 306 554 3524
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Assume everyone is intelligent
> >
> > 2. Have a passion for what you do
> >
> > 3. Get over yourself. Dr. Lisa Studnicki
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Quaker-MM mailing list
> Quaker-MM at quakerlists.org
> http://quakerlists.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/quaker-mm
>
>


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From SandyParker.56 at cantab.net  Mon Feb  4 15:01:10 2008
From: SandyParker.56 at cantab.net (Sandy Parker)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:01:10 +1100
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Introductions!
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Getting off to a slow start!

I'm a member of the small Geelong Meeting, Victoria, Australia.
Been in and around Friends most of my 70+ years - mostly in the UK.
Have been clerk of my local (preparative) meeting in the UK, of my  
regional meeting in Australia, as well as a variety of committees at  
different levels.  Currently none of the above!

And I look forward to Elizabeth Boardman's "further developments"

Sandy Parker

"here in the impermanent
  and yet continuously flowing world,
  let us stand together for future generations"
(Thich Nhat Hanh)


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Subject: [Quaker-MM] ADMIN: replying to digests
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From PatQuake at aol.com  Sun Feb 10 19:02:08 2008
From: PatQuake at aol.com (PatQuake at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:02:08 EST
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
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I will take the opportunity to introduce myself. I am Pat Campbell,  recently 
of Detroit Friends Meeting, but now in Morganton, NC where I moved last  
summer to take a new job. I have clerked Detroit Friends Meeting - a small  
meeting that passes the clerkship around - but the Meeting almost clerks itself.  I 
clerked Lake Erie YM in the early 90's. That was a time of spiritual growth. I 
 sense the workings of the Spirit, but in a more quiet fashion these days.
 
 
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From eboardman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 12 06:30:28 2008
From: eboardman at sbcglobal.net (Elizabeth Boardman)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:30:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-MM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1202760016.26915.quaker-mm@quakerlists.org>
Message-ID: <631178.73010.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice to hear from you, Pat Campbell. Perhaps we'll be in toiuch when the clerking book comes out.
   
  Cheers........................Elizabeth Boardman

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I will take the opportunity to introduce myself. I am Pat Campbell, recently 
of Detroit Friends Meeting, but now in Morganton, NC where I moved last 
summer to take a new job. I have clerked Detroit Friends Meeting - a small 
meeting that passes the clerkship around - but the Meeting almost clerks itself. I 
clerked Lake Erie YM in the early 90's. That was a time of spiritual growth. I 
sense the workings of the Spirit, but in a more quiet fashion these days.


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From rhirschi at xmission.com  Tue Feb 12 19:13:59 2008
From: rhirschi at xmission.com (Rand Hirschi)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:13:59 -0700
Subject: [Quaker-MM] After MFW Joys and Sorrows
Message-ID: <45C7D04D-D0BA-4437-BBDC-D85EEB5AB1B6@xmission.com>

Friends,

Although I have the specific request set out below, let me first  
introduce myself. My name is Rand Hirschi. I am a convinced Quaker and  
have been a member of Salt Lake Friends Meeting for 22 years. I served  
as clerk in the late 80's for one year and again from 2004 to 2006.  
Our meeting has two-year term for the clerk, and sends the new clerk  
to Pendle Hill for Arthur Larrabee's workshop on clerking skills,  
which I enjoyed a lot and found very helpful, especially the  
suggestion that, if necessary, I show the speaker the palm of my hand  
and kindly say, "[Name], may I interrupt you?" We purchased a meeting  
house during my last term, something we had been aiming for for 20  
years, at this brought a lot of joy to almost all of us. We also had  
an major unhappiness  occasioned by an eldering gone awry, which still  
affects the spirit of  the meeting. More later, perhaps.

My request:

Salt Lake MM has decided to adopt after-MFW sharing for a trial period  
starting next Sunday.  I am clerking that day. The plan as I  
understand it is to enter a period of sharing "joys and concerns" at  
the rise of meeting for worship. I understand this practice has been  
adopted by many meetings in other parts of the country. If your  
meeting is using, or has tried, this process, or if you have had  
experience of it somewhere else, I would appreciate whatever advice  
you could give me, including:
(1) Has the practice been a success--by any standards you'd like to  
apply?
(2) How long do you set aside for it, or if no specific time is set,  
are time limits a problem?
(3) Is it explicitly suggested that sharing not extend to certain  
topics such as partisan politics or childhood sexual abuse, or that  
cross-talk and advice be avoided?
(4) Have you shortened you MFW to accommodate the process?
(5) Are any guidelines at all given to those in attendance?
(6) Anything else that might help.

I do think I will change the name to "Joys and Sorrows", alluding to  
the Buddhist "10,000 joys and 10,000 sorrows", a comforting  
encapsulation of the human condition, I've always thought.

Thank you,
Rand Hirschi,
Clerk Pro Tem
Salt Lake Friends Meeting
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From eboardman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 13 14:33:25 2008
From: eboardman at sbcglobal.net (Elizabeth Boardman)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:33:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-MM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7
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Rand Hirschi,  this is a brand new list and there are only 3-4 readers that I know of so far.  
   
  In San Francisco, we do not have this "joys and concerns" period.  But in Davis, California they do, and I am forwarding your query to my friend Marilee there.  In Ithaca, New York, they do, and Tom Brown is their clerk, as I learned last week when I visited there.  I do not have contact information for him.
   
  Best wishes....................Elizabeth Boardman
   
  

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Subject: [Quaker-MM] After MFW Joys and Sorrows
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Friends,

Although I have the specific request set out below, let me first 
introduce myself. My name is Rand Hirschi. I am a convinced Quaker and 
have been a member of Salt Lake Friends Meeting for 22 years. I served 
as clerk in the late 80's for one year and again from 2004 to 2006. 
Our meeting has two-year term for the clerk, and sends the new clerk 
to Pendle Hill for Arthur Larrabee's workshop on clerking skills, 
which I enjoyed a lot and found very helpful, especially the 
suggestion that, if necessary, I show the speaker the palm of my hand 
and kindly say, "[Name], may I interrupt you?" We purchased a meeting 
house during my last term, something we had been aiming for for 20 
years, at this brought a lot of joy to almost all of us. We also had 
an major unhappiness occasioned by an eldering gone awry, which still 
affects the spirit of the meeting. More later, perhaps.

My request:

Salt Lake MM has decided to adopt after-MFW sharing for a trial period 
starting next Sunday. I am clerking that day. The plan as I 
understand it is to enter a period of sharing "joys and concerns" at 
the rise of meeting for worship. I understand this practice has been 
adopted by many meetings in other parts of the country. If your 
meeting is using, or has tried, this process, or if you have had 
experience of it somewhere else, I would appreciate whatever advice 
you could give me, including:
(1) Has the practice been a success--by any standards you'd like to 
apply?
(2) How long do you set aside for it, or if no specific time is set, 
are time limits a problem?
(3) Is it explicitly suggested that sharing not extend to certain 
topics such as partisan politics or childhood sexual abuse, or that 
cross-talk and advice be avoided?
(4) Have you shortened you MFW to accommodate the process?
(5) Are any guidelines at all given to those in attendance?
(6) Anything else that might help.

I do think I will change the name to "Joys and Sorrows", alluding to 
the Buddhist "10,000 joys and 10,000 sorrows", a comforting 
encapsulation of the human condition, I've always thought.

Thank you,
Rand Hirschi,
Clerk Pro Tem
Salt Lake Friends Meeting
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From bdienes at capflex.com  Wed Feb 13 14:50:23 2008
From: bdienes at capflex.com (bdienes at capflex.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:50:23 -0400
Subject: [Quaker-MM] AfterWords
In-Reply-To: <569046.1688.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <569046.1688.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Elizabeth Boardman writes: 

> Rand Hirschi,  this is a brand new list and there are only 3-4 readers that I know of so far.  
>    
>   In San Francisco, we do not have this "joys and concerns" period.  But in Davis, California they do, and I am forwarding your query to my friend Marilee there.  In Ithaca, New York, they do, and Tom Brown is their clerk, as I learned last week when I visited there.  I do not have contact information for him.
>    
>   Best wishes....................Elizabeth Boardman

Hello Friends, 

FYI: There are currently 42 subscribers to Quaker-MM, from various parts of 
the planet. 

At Annapolis Valley (Nova Scotia, Canada) MM, we have what we call the 
"AfterWords". Following an hour of Meeting for Worship, Meeting is closed 
and the cloder asks that, before announcements and social time, if anyone 
would like to share their experience of Meeting for Worship and to say 
anything that they would like to share nut didn't feel led to speak during 
Worship, to do so now. This is done on Worship-Sharing format - i.e. one 
speaks from one's own experience, and does not comment on or respond to 
others' sharing; there is Silence between each person's offering; and each 
person speaks only once. 

This was initially initiaed by our Ministry and Counsel as a way to 
encourage people to become more at ease at speaking in the group, with a 
thought that it might facilitate people giving ministry at a later time. We 
also serendititously found it to be very helpful to new attenders, since the 
Silence did not often give them insight into what people were experiencing, 
or what was possible in Meeting. The variety of experiences shared also 
seems to enrich our connection with one another. 

I think that if you do start up something similar, it is important that it 
be a safe place for those who might be hesitant to speak - ensuring that 
others do not use this as a place to dialogue or debate. If you wish to know 
more about what soemone said, you can go up to them afterwards and ask their 
permission to discuss it. 

In the Light, 

Bruce 

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From Frank.Cranmer at centrallobby.com  Wed Feb 13 15:14:13 2008
From: Frank.Cranmer at centrallobby.com (Frank Cranmer)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:14:13 -0000
Subject: [Quaker-MM] AfterWords
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Dear Friends

 

Since I replied to Rand directly, I think I'd better say "hello" generally.

 

I'm Co-Clerk of my Local Meeting (Brentford & Isleworth in West London) and an elder. I've been a Quaker for about eight years. Before that I was a cradle Anglican, but I finally came to the conclusion that I didn't believe in the Trinity so it was time to go. We?re a fairly small Meeting (about twenty on a Sunday morning) and I guess that the reason why Nominations thought of me for Assistant Clerk was simply that if I?m in London on a Sunday morning I go to Meeting. A lifetime of going to church on Sunday morning means that it?s in my bones ? and not all Friends approach attendance at MfW in quite that way. So I reckon that being asked to be Clerk can be a bit like Lord Melbourne?s observation on the Order of the Garter: he liked it because ?there?s no damned merit in it?.

 

Frank

 

-----Original Message-----
From: quaker-mm-bounces at quakerlists.org [mailto:quaker-mm-bounces at quakerlists.org] On Behalf Of bdienes at capflex.com
Sent: 13 February 2008 22:50
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] AfterWords

 

Elizabeth Boardman writes: 

 

> Rand Hirschi,  this is a brand new list and there are only 3-4 readers that I know of so far.  

>    

>   In San Francisco, we do not have this "joys and concerns" period.  But in Davis, California they do, and I am forwarding your query to my friend Marilee there.  In Ithaca, New York, they do, and Tom Brown is their clerk, as I learned last week when I visited there.  I do not have contact information for him.

>    

>   Best wishes....................Elizabeth Boardman

 

Hello Friends, 

 

FYI: There are currently 42 subscribers to Quaker-MM, from various parts of 

the planet. 

 

At Annapolis Valley (Nova Scotia, Canada) MM, we have what we call the 

"AfterWords". Following an hour of Meeting for Worship, Meeting is closed 

and the cloder asks that, before announcements and social time, if anyone 

would like to share their experience of Meeting for Worship and to say 

anything that they would like to share nut didn't feel led to speak during 

Worship, to do so now. This is done on Worship-Sharing format - i.e. one 

speaks from one's own experience, and does not comment on or respond to 

others' sharing; there is Silence between each person's offering; and each 

person speaks only once. 

 

This was initially initiaed by our Ministry and Counsel as a way to 

encourage people to become more at ease at speaking in the group, with a 

thought that it might facilitate people giving ministry at a later time. We 

also serendititously found it to be very helpful to new attenders, since the 

Silence did not often give them insight into what people were experiencing, 

or what was possible in Meeting. The variety of experiences shared also 

seems to enrich our connection with one another. 

 

I think that if you do start up something similar, it is important that it 

be a safe place for those who might be hesitant to speak - ensuring that 

others do not use this as a place to dialogue or debate. If you wish to know 

more about what soemone said, you can go up to them afterwards and ask their 

permission to discuss it. 

 

In the Light, 

 

Bruce 

 

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From steven.smith at claremontmckenna.edu  Wed Feb 13 15:57:25 2008
From: steven.smith at claremontmckenna.edu (Smith, Steven)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:57:25 -0800
Subject: [Quaker-MM] After MFW Joys and Sorrows
References: <45C7D04D-D0BA-4437-BBDC-D85EEB5AB1B6@xmission.com>
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Dear Friend Rand Hirschi-

Our MM--Claremont, in Pacific Yearly Meeting--recently adopted the "Joys and Concerns" format following Meeting for Worship.   

(1) I think it fair to say that members and attenders regard it as a genuine success--a welcome time to share, and get to know one another better.  Those who share are often approached by sympathizers afterwards, especially when a difficult matter has been shared.

(2) We have not set a time limit--and that has not been a problem.  (With us, the process usually lasts less than 10 minutes.)  

(3) Happily, we have also had no problem with extended political appeals, nor have we found it necessary to rule out any topics (e.g. "childhood sexual abuse") or cross-talk or advice.

(4) We have NOT shortened MFW, which still runs just an hour.

(5) We have a brief cue card for the person closing meeting; it says that "joys and concerns" is a time for sharing personal matters "that did not quite rise to the level of ministry in MFW."   So far, the only limitation we have felt a need to mention is that it is NOT a time for announcements.

(6) A welcome side effect has been to mitigate a common problem in MFW:  certain kinds of inappropriate ministry, i.e. personal matters that the speaker simply needs to get off of his/her chest.  We have much less of that now; the "joys and concerns" time seems to function as a kind of  "safety valve."

Every MM is unique, and I imagine that you will find it appropriate to establish your own guidelines and limits, after you have tried it for a time.

-Steve Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: quaker-mm-bounces at quakerlists.org on behalf of Rand Hirschi
Sent: Tue 2/12/2008 7:13 PM
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Subject: [Quaker-MM] After MFW Joys and Sorrows
 
Friends,

Although I have the specific request set out below, let me first  
introduce myself. My name is Rand Hirschi. I am a convinced Quaker and  
have been a member of Salt Lake Friends Meeting for 22 years. I served  
as clerk in the late 80's for one year and again from 2004 to 2006.  
Our meeting has two-year term for the clerk, and sends the new clerk  
to Pendle Hill for Arthur Larrabee's workshop on clerking skills,  
which I enjoyed a lot and found very helpful, especially the  
suggestion that, if necessary, I show the speaker the palm of my hand  
and kindly say, "[Name], may I interrupt you?" We purchased a meeting  
house during my last term, something we had been aiming for for 20  
years, at this brought a lot of joy to almost all of us. We also had  
an major unhappiness  occasioned by an eldering gone awry, which still  
affects the spirit of  the meeting. More later, perhaps.

My request:

Salt Lake MM has decided to adopt after-MFW sharing for a trial period  
starting next Sunday.  I am clerking that day. The plan as I  
understand it is to enter a period of sharing "joys and concerns" at  
the rise of meeting for worship. I understand this practice has been  
adopted by many meetings in other parts of the country. If your  
meeting is using, or has tried, this process, or if you have had  
experience of it somewhere else, I would appreciate whatever advice  
you could give me, including:
(1) Has the practice been a success--by any standards you'd like to  
apply?
(2) How long do you set aside for it, or if no specific time is set,  
are time limits a problem?
(3) Is it explicitly suggested that sharing not extend to certain  
topics such as partisan politics or childhood sexual abuse, or that  
cross-talk and advice be avoided?
(4) Have you shortened you MFW to accommodate the process?
(5) Are any guidelines at all given to those in attendance?
(6) Anything else that might help.

I do think I will change the name to "Joys and Sorrows", alluding to  
the Buddhist "10,000 joys and 10,000 sorrows", a comforting  
encapsulation of the human condition, I've always thought.

Thank you,
Rand Hirschi,
Clerk Pro Tem
Salt Lake Friends Meeting

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From rosebud at operamail.com  Wed Feb 13 17:38:03 2008
From: rosebud at operamail.com (rosebud at operamail.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
Message-ID: <20080214013803.3007A3AA6FA@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com>

I'm not clerk, and there is no meeting: I'm an attender at a worship group that meets at a retirement facility. The group has focused on serving residents. I've attended for the seven years I've lived here. 
Some Sundays no one shows up; sometimes there have been 15 or so. 
Lately attendance has been particularly low, and the group has cut 
back to a one-Sunday-per-month schedule.
Most free-living visitors drift off to monthly meetings. I've remained in part to facilitate attendance of a disabled resident, but he's now confined to his bed. (Laziness has also been a factor in not going off in search of a monthly meeting.)
I signed up for this list because I wanted to broaden my perspective. 
David Amundson


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Dienes" <bdienes at capflex.com>
> To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
> Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:33:47 -0400
> 
> Hello Friends,
> Welcome to Quaker-MM, a international list to discuss issues of 
> interest to Monthly Meeting clerks as we continue to learn our role 
> and learn more about Quaker process at the Monthly Meeting level.
> Perhaps we could start by introducing ourselves?
> Please post a note to the list letting us know what your interests 
> are in this area, and some background on your experience with 
> clerking.
> In the Light,
> Bruce
> (Clerk, Annapolis Valley MM, Canadian YM) 




From steven.smith at claremontmckenna.edu  Thu Feb 14 08:26:10 2008
From: steven.smith at claremontmckenna.edu (Smith, Steven)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:26:10 -0800
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
References: <20080214013803.3007A3AA6FA@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <AA763061ECE33441A1D6A473E0C995962AA233@cmex3.MCKENNA.EDU>

Dear Q-MM members,

By way of introduction:  I am a member of Claremont Monthly Meeting (east of Los Angeles) in Pacific Yearly Meeting.  I was raised in Iowa Yearly Meeting (Conservative).  I have been clerk of Claremont MM and of Southern California Quarterly Meeting, as well as a number of Quaker committees.  

I have a strong interest in Quaker process, and I welcome membership in a Quaker elist that is focused upon mutual, constructive support around shared interests.

In Friendship,

-Steve Smith
PO Box 16
Mt. Baldy, CA 91759
(909) 946-2326
ssmith at cmc.edu

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From eboardman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 15 06:20:38 2008
From: eboardman at sbcglobal.net (Elizabeth Boardman)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:20:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Quaker-MM] Quaker-MM Digest, Vol 1, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1203019206.26052.quaker-mm@quakerlists.org>
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What a nice response you offered to Rand Hirschi, Steve Smith.  I am trying to set up a way to capture useful "best practices" like this for sharing with others later.
   
  Cheers..........................Elizabeth

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1. Re: After MFW Joys and Sorrows (Smith, Steven)
2. Re: Welcome to Q-MM (rosebud at operamail.com)
3. Re: Welcome to Q-MM (Smith, Steven)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:57:25 -0800
From: "Smith, Steven" 
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] After MFW Joys and Sorrows
To: "Rand Hirschi" ,

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Dear Friend Rand Hirschi-

Our MM--Claremont, in Pacific Yearly Meeting--recently adopted the "Joys and Concerns" format following Meeting for Worship. 

(1) I think it fair to say that members and attenders regard it as a genuine success--a welcome time to share, and get to know one another better. Those who share are often approached by sympathizers afterwards, especially when a difficult matter has been shared.

(2) We have not set a time limit--and that has not been a problem. (With us, the process usually lasts less than 10 minutes.) 

(3) Happily, we have also had no problem with extended political appeals, nor have we found it necessary to rule out any topics (e.g. "childhood sexual abuse") or cross-talk or advice.

(4) We have NOT shortened MFW, which still runs just an hour.

(5) We have a brief cue card for the person closing meeting; it says that "joys and concerns" is a time for sharing personal matters "that did not quite rise to the level of ministry in MFW." So far, the only limitation we have felt a need to mention is that it is NOT a time for announcements.

(6) A welcome side effect has been to mitigate a common problem in MFW: certain kinds of inappropriate ministry, i.e. personal matters that the speaker simply needs to get off of his/her chest. We have much less of that now; the "joys and concerns" time seems to function as a kind of "safety valve."

Every MM is unique, and I imagine that you will find it appropriate to establish your own guidelines and limits, after you have tried it for a time.

-Steve Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: quaker-mm-bounces at quakerlists.org on behalf of Rand Hirschi
Sent: Tue 2/12/2008 7:13 PM
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
Subject: [Quaker-MM] After MFW Joys and Sorrows

Friends,

Although I have the specific request set out below, let me first 
introduce myself. My name is Rand Hirschi. I am a convinced Quaker and 
have been a member of Salt Lake Friends Meeting for 22 years. I served 
as clerk in the late 80's for one year and again from 2004 to 2006. 
Our meeting has two-year term for the clerk, and sends the new clerk 
to Pendle Hill for Arthur Larrabee's workshop on clerking skills, 
which I enjoyed a lot and found very helpful, especially the 
suggestion that, if necessary, I show the speaker the palm of my hand 
and kindly say, "[Name], may I interrupt you?" We purchased a meeting 
house during my last term, something we had been aiming for for 20 
years, at this brought a lot of joy to almost all of us. We also had 
an major unhappiness occasioned by an eldering gone awry, which still 
affects the spirit of the meeting. More later, perhaps.

My request:

Salt Lake MM has decided to adopt after-MFW sharing for a trial period 
starting next Sunday. I am clerking that day. The plan as I 
understand it is to enter a period of sharing "joys and concerns" at 
the rise of meeting for worship. I understand this practice has been 
adopted by many meetings in other parts of the country. If your 
meeting is using, or has tried, this process, or if you have had 
experience of it somewhere else, I would appreciate whatever advice 
you could give me, including:
(1) Has the practice been a success--by any standards you'd like to 
apply?
(2) How long do you set aside for it, or if no specific time is set, 
are time limits a problem?
(3) Is it explicitly suggested that sharing not extend to certain 
topics such as partisan politics or childhood sexual abuse, or that 
cross-talk and advice be avoided?
(4) Have you shortened you MFW to accommodate the process?
(5) Are any guidelines at all given to those in attendance?
(6) Anything else that might help.

I do think I will change the name to "Joys and Sorrows", alluding to 
the Buddhist "10,000 joys and 10,000 sorrows", a comforting 
encapsulation of the human condition, I've always thought.

Thank you,
Rand Hirschi,
Clerk Pro Tem
Salt Lake Friends Meeting

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:38:03 -0500
From: rosebud at operamail.com
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
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I'm not clerk, and there is no meeting: I'm an attender at a worship group that meets at a retirement facility. The group has focused on serving residents. I've attended for the seven years I've lived here. 
Some Sundays no one shows up; sometimes there have been 15 or so. 
Lately attendance has been particularly low, and the group has cut 
back to a one-Sunday-per-month schedule.
Most free-living visitors drift off to monthly meetings. I've remained in part to facilitate attendance of a disabled resident, but he's now confined to his bed. (Laziness has also been a factor in not going off in search of a monthly meeting.)
I signed up for this list because I wanted to broaden my perspective. 
David Amundson


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Dienes" 
> To: quaker-mm at quakerlists.org
> Subject: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:33:47 -0400
> 
> Hello Friends,
> Welcome to Quaker-MM, a international list to discuss issues of 
> interest to Monthly Meeting clerks as we continue to learn our role 
> and learn more about Quaker process at the Monthly Meeting level.
> Perhaps we could start by introducing ourselves?
> Please post a note to the list letting us know what your interests 
> are in this area, and some background on your experience with 
> clerking.
> In the Light,
> Bruce
> (Clerk, Annapolis Valley MM, Canadian YM) 





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:26:10 -0800
From: "Smith, Steven" 
Subject: Re: [Quaker-MM] Welcome to Q-MM
To: , 
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Dear Q-MM members,

By way of introduction: I am a member of Claremont Monthly Meeting (east of Los Angeles) in Pacific Yearly Meeting. I was raised in Iowa Yearly Meeting (Conservative). I have been clerk of Claremont MM and of Southern California Quarterly Meeting, as well as a number of Quaker committees. 

I have a strong interest in Quaker process, and I welcome membership in a Quaker elist that is focused upon mutual, constructive support around shared interests.

In Friendship,

-Steve Smith
PO Box 16
Mt. Baldy, CA 91759
(909) 946-2326
ssmith at cmc.edu

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